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The Microsoft Kinect.

Post by Rikachu on June 22nd 2010, 1:49 pm

I'm pretty sure we all know about this. Microsoft's fail attempt at motion control.

What makes it so fail? Well, let me start.

It's a glorified PlayStation EyeToy. So far, every game I've seen does the exact thing the EyeToy was meant to do, only without projection yourself onto the screen. Most games would not work with Kinect. Why? Imagine trying to play a shooter with it. I, for one, can not play any game without a controller, much less a shooter. I mean, exactly how could the device pick up that you're pulling the trigger or reloading? Sure, Microsoft could make special movements for it, but that would go against the idea of "Immersing a player into the game." Sure, the Kinect is good for games such as Viva Pinata where there's minimal movement involved, but most of the XBox 360's gamers play shooters or adventure/action games. Going onto a different direction, imagine how much interference there would be with this thing. About the only time you could game is when you're completely alone. If someone walked in front of the TV while you were playing a game like, let's say, Jenga (Which, I digress, would work pretty well on Kinect), they could ruin the entire tower.

Now moving onto the design of the Kinect itself. It's not very well made to where it can fit on the top of most older TVs (Even thought it seems most people nowadays have flatscreen HDTVs, some of us are oldschool or can't really afford them) without falling off. The way the Kinect is made means it can really only work well when on top of a TV. The design is also ugly in itself, being unable to fit inside most of today's homes without standing out like a Na'vi in New York. Another thing: The Kinect only comes in black. And i'm pretty sure that the wife of an avid 360 gamer doesn't want a little black ugly thing sitting on the top of her TV in her yellow-and-cream coloured room.

One last thing. TJ showed me a game that could potentially be interesting, if it wasn't completely and obviously fake: Milo.



So after reading my little rant, I'd like to know what the rest of your think of Kinect. I, for one, will never be getting it, and will take my Wii over Kinect anyday.

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Re: The Microsoft Kinect.

Post by NintendoLover13 on June 22nd 2010, 2:08 pm

I fully disagree with you there Ri, except on the eyetoy. The eyetoy was fail. I'm really not a wii fan, and this kinect thing seems interesting. And Milo, that just seems like the coolest thing ever.


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Post by GuardStud08 on June 22nd 2010, 2:11 pm

That is your opinion, yes. Your entitled to it. I, however, am excited for Kinect and Milo. If you looked behind the scenes, you would of notice that Milo is no where near being done. They are recording millions upon millions of phrases to be in the game. I would suggest you google before you judge. EyeToy was a fail but Kinect has much, much more to offer. It is far advance then the Wii since the controller is you.


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EDIT: Also, at the shooter reload thing. How do you reload in real life? If you know that, then you know how to in the game. I really don't think shooters will be on the Kinect since it is a more...hands on... if you will, type of device. I am ubberly excited for Kinect and for the additional voice and video calling, which you cannot do on your Wii.

EDIT2: Also, Kinect is aimed for FAMILY fun. I am getting it for me and my nephew to enjoy Smile


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Post by ZombieData on June 22nd 2010, 4:01 pm

I think kinect is okay, but I wouldn't get it just because I have no use for it. I don't really want it *shrug*

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Re: The Microsoft Kinect.

Post by Rikachu on June 22nd 2010, 4:25 pm

You say the EyeToy was fail yet love the Kinect. When they are the EXACT SAME THING. Give me five ways they're significantly different.

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Re: The Microsoft Kinect.

Post by Rapsheba555 on June 22nd 2010, 4:36 pm

I'll take my Wii anyday over something like this. The main thing that's bugging me about that Milo game is that it really doesn't seem like it is A) a game, B) possible. Sure, it -could- be possible, but even microsoft has not evolved AI as advanced as that character on screen is displaying. Yeah, I might be wrong, and kinda hope I am, because it looks cool. but I'd like to see it on shelves before I believe it.

The main problem with no controller is that it won't work with games that require a controller, IE any game with multiple actions such as jump, run, shoot, etc. It could be used for a few games like Milo, but not many.

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Post by GuardStud08 on June 22nd 2010, 6:53 pm

Rikachu wrote:You say the EyeToy was fail yet love the Kinect. When they are the EXACT SAME THING. Give me five ways they're significantly different.


Kinect captures 3d images and has fairly sophisticated tech for processing those images. The eye is pretty much just a camera. With a 3D camera, Kinect is much better at mapping out body parts and detecting how they are moving. People may dismiss it, but as a workout program/game it seems very promising. You never saw this with the Eyetoy, or even Wii Fit. Yeah. That's the thing, in most things, Kinetic is more precise, what gives a much wider range of games. You can have a precise fitness game, and a great workout without leaving the room. It was other things like voice commands, that you can see with the hands off controls on the xbox they already implemented and showed on stage.But like in most things, it's still in the infant stage. People are just start to explore the tech. The "game" requires you to kick forward. For a 2D camera, kicking right and kicking forward-right looks extremely similar, because its only from one view. With the 3D camera, it's able to detect whether a person is moving forward and backwards and exactly how far. With the technology they use in kinect, it can easily track a punch or kick no matter how you do it, and it has less of a chance or losing track in a low lit room, or because of the clothes you wear. In terms of games it seems you can play it more naturally then you did the eyetoy, you can punch at the screen rather then off to the side because your not limited to a 2d plane.

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Post by Rapsheba555 on June 22nd 2010, 8:20 pm

well, the 3D part is pretty good I guess. I still doubt it though, because almost everything microsoft develops has glitches, and we'll just have to wait and see how bad they are.

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Post by ZombieData on June 22nd 2010, 8:27 pm

BTW Milo sounds some creepy subsittute for a child

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Post by GuardStud08 on June 22nd 2010, 8:30 pm

Rapsheba555 wrote:well, the 3D part is pretty good I guess. I still doubt it though, because almost everything microsoft develops has glitches, and we'll just have to wait and see how bad they are.

That is fine. I have some doubts as well. Nothing can work 100% when it is first released. I imagine it will require some -fine- tuning, but from what I've seen by the live demos, I am quite looking forward to it Smile

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Post by Rapsheba555 on June 22nd 2010, 8:39 pm

The problem is that microsoft usually rushes their products onto the market before they're done and the customers end up paying for it. *coughredringofdeathcough*

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Post by GuardStud08 on June 22nd 2010, 8:56 pm

I agree Raps. Highly. I -hope- they will delay the release date this holiday to improve any remaining bugs and glitches. I might email them and ask of it.

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Post by Ghost on June 24th 2010, 1:49 pm

Milo: a cross between a Neopet and a PDA?

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Post by GuardStud08 on June 24th 2010, 1:51 pm

Not really. You don't have to bathe him or feed him, just socialize with him. Kinda like a virtual friend. If he is as good as the video shows, I hope he can have a full blown conversation with me about the randomness of things, lol

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Post by WhiteWaterWood on June 24th 2010, 5:34 pm

I seriously doubt it will be a very good or comprehensive project, just because of the type of things we've seen like this in the past. They're usually limited or have lots of glitches.

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Post by GuardStud08 on June 24th 2010, 6:50 pm

I guess there is only one thing to do. We must wait till it is released and then can we truly put a fully forced decision on it. I still believe it will be a very good success esp. to the family gamer. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, however, like anything, it has it's Pros and Cons. If we all could think less of the "absolute facts" and more on the "creative thinking" part of the topic and fuse them together, than can we truly believe it is possible. I mean, anything is possible as long as you put your mind to and of course have the proper technology. I consider my self a creative thinker and imagine gaming in the near future. Vitalization into games, using your own weapons/props (which Kinect is said to be able to do), even modding the game itself to fit your needs and to allow you to access different and unique aspects of the gaming environment. You may say 'What if it fails and you waste your money?' Well, Kinect does more than games. It also has the ability to do video chat. Many people may buy it just for that! It will make Xbox Live Video Chats easier and more enjoyable.

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Post by ooga booga on June 25th 2010, 2:51 am

video chat will never be worth 150 dollars, not today, yesterday, tomorrow, or 10 years from now. and quite frankly, the ability to detect body parts the way it would require, the technology doesn't exist. and as far as glitches and microsoft go, microsoft is known for glitches, particulary the famous "red ring of death", maybe in another 10 (or even 20) years the technology will be what microsoft needs it to be for this. until then the amount of glitches that will happen will explain themselves.

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Post by GuardStud08 on June 25th 2010, 11:26 am

The RROD "glitch" has been fixed and patched already. The new 360 will not RROD on people. The only reasoned it RROD on people was because they did not provided enough ventilation for the original 360. I've had mine for 2 years now, and no RROD has hit me. Why? Because I keep mine well ventilated and I only play for about 4 hours, then allow it to rest for 1 hour. I don't play 24/7. I also clean my 360 on a weekly basis, every Friday to be exact, to rid the device from the accumulation of dust.

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Post by Vampire_of_Death on June 25th 2010, 12:51 pm

Well, they fixed the first RROD, but the new one will have something else wrong with it. There will always be a glitch with Mircosoft and the day there isn't, I'll become a cheerleader professionally.

That video is amazing, and I wish it was possible, but how in the hell could it be. (Imagine Silent Hill) As far as I have seen any kind of tracking would require tiny indicators/sensor all over your body, especially on your hands for movements and face for emotions.

You said yourself, that its not done yet and you can see how they faked this trailer, which I might add, they shouldn't even release until its more that halfway done.

And if we focus on what could be instead of what is, then might as well as look at the whole world that way. Let not look at the starvation in Africa and instead look at what could be, happy kids...WITH PUPPIES! See? That doesn't hold water. Facts is how we can predict what will happen.

And I agree with Ri. I personally know how to load a gun, and it is a very precise movement and you hold t close to your body it happens fast and if you are in a shoot out, you are going to be down on the ground.

I am looking forward to seeing it, but I don't expect much. And even if it is everything we see in the trailer and more (Rofl)I still not buy anything from Microsoft.

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Post by GuardStud08 on June 25th 2010, 12:58 pm

I guess that is the only thing we can do: wait and see. Smile

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