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Post by ZombieData on November 10th 2009, 7:24 pm

*twitch*

Okay, I just saw a pic of an aborted baby. It was falling apart. *twitch* :pale:


I'm sorry, but I don't care how young the girl is, how poor they are, or how old....

*sob*

Babies should have a chance at life. No matter how hard it is..

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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 10th 2009, 7:49 pm

As I always say:

"If that baby isn't born, it'll never have the chance to say 'I'm glad I was born.'"

BTW, late-term abortions? Hammer-to-skull, cut up with knife, remove parts. That's how it works. I think life begins at viability, meaning that, if you could take it out and keep it alive, it's life. Maybe a bundle of small cells I could see being aborted because it cannot think yet, has no heartbeat, and isn't viable. But if it resembles a person, it is one.

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Post by ZombieData on November 10th 2009, 7:53 pm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/aborted_9_week_fetus.jpg

This is at 9 weeks...

Carefull, its a tiny bit graphic.
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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 10th 2009, 7:55 pm

Ew. That's just disgusting. I don't take the religious approach though, I take the "Bitch, what if YOU had been aborted?" approach. Actually, i'd call it very graphic, but this is the right place for it.

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Post by ZombieData on November 10th 2009, 7:57 pm

And this is at 7 weeks D:

http://www.clinicquotes.com/site/story.php?id=110
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Post by ZombieData on November 10th 2009, 7:59 pm

I don't take the reilgious view either.

I take the "innocence-is-destroyed-children-die-they-would-become-babys-how-could-you-dare-do-that-to-life-what-if-that-happened-to-me-i-dont-want-anyone-to-die" view.
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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 10th 2009, 9:53 pm

Okay, well, that DID look overly-graphically staged. But it still isn't pretty.

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Post by ZimZ on November 11th 2009, 12:10 am

ok,that is so wrong... I don't believe in abortions but... what was with the coin and the baby thing?
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Post by ZombieData on November 11th 2009, 12:12 am

To show how small they were.
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Post by Vampire_of_Death on November 11th 2009, 1:36 am

Wow, I have seem fetal skeletons before and it really is amazing, antomy wise, they have a fully developed skeleton. Just jaw droping.

I strongly disagree with abortion, I think life starts at conception, and like Raps says, as a group of cells, it cant think, etc but it has the potential to think, to grow to do great thngs. And a human fetal brain starts to develope like 20 days in, it just isnt long at all. Day 22 the heart starts to beat. Sixth week brain waves can be recorded, thoughts are happening. Week 7 baby is kicking and moving. Week 10 baby can "breath" and pee. Week 12 Baby has full functioning nervous system meaning they can feel EVERYTHING.

And you know what, a baby with a fully function nervous system can be aborted up until the 14th week, thats 2 extra weeks of development just to make sure they feel everything. And some states its even 24 weeks.

That is just so sad and I know its different in other areas in the world. I know when they passed the law in China and you were only allowed to have one daughter, they just killed them as they were birthed. One method of doing s involved pushing pins through the babies skull.
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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 11th 2009, 3:57 pm

that's terrible. I really have no problem with thing like the pill or condoms because surely it hurts less to plan than to abort.

The tiny ribcage was what did me in.

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Post by ZombieData on November 11th 2009, 5:17 pm

Seeing the incredibly small intestines is what made me flinch the most.

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Post by Vampire_of_Death on November 11th 2009, 11:21 pm

I have to say it was the ribcage.
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Post by Rikachu on November 12th 2009, 3:59 am

That is absolutely disgusting. Anybody who cheers abortion on should be ashamed.

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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 12th 2009, 5:42 pm

i don't think anyone cheers abortion, no one hates life. I can see why it's legal from one angle, because if they don't get it done in a clinic, they'll do it with a coathanger. But I also oppose killing life that could be saved.

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Post by Ghost on November 12th 2009, 8:46 pm

There are times when a woman would not be able to survive carrying a child to full term. There are times when a woman has been raped and gotten pregnant from it and is emotionally incapable of caring for a child who reminds her of the ordeal. There are times where the baby would be born with severe birth defects. While I would admire anyone who does not go through with an abortion under any of those circumstances, I believe that the option should be there for them.

But anyone who uses abortion as a form of backup birth control just because the condom didn't work needs to watch a marathon session of those pictures. At least 48 hours.
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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 12th 2009, 8:55 pm

There are certainly always exceptions. We cannot ever hope to make a blanket rule to cover every eventuality.

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Post by ZombieData on November 13th 2009, 7:50 am

*raises hand*

Ya, I think that if the woman has trouble and it will absolutely kill her, *remembers pictures* *twitches*, I guess it's okay.


BUT I don't think that if youve been raped you shouldn't kill it just because "it reminds her of the ordeal" There's always adoption for things like that... I mean, if they are incapble of caring for it or are really young or don't want a child or whatever, thats different, I can see why they would want to. Women shouldnt have children forced upon them, I agree, but they have to take into consideration that it's not the babys fault its life was created in rape. The baby only desperatly wants to live, thats all.
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Post by Vampire_of_Death on November 13th 2009, 5:09 pm

I agree with Ghost, I mean, if it is gonna kill you, that would be a differnet sorry and most cases, that baby wouldnt survive anyways. If it had severe defects, like it wouldnt survive long, then yes, save the babies pain, but if you are aborting because it has down syndrome or something like that then no, that is murder. Adoption is always an option. ALWAYS.

I think it the option is there, a mother shoudl go through an extensive psychological evaluation before she is approved/denied. If carrying a baby that a rapist father is going to emotionally ruin her, even more so, and I do me ruin, like start shooting people, they yea, I guess she should be allowed to have one but I think by killing that baby, its not going to make it easier to forget what happened to you, the guilt of the death might even make it harder.

I guess that violates a persons rights, they should be able to do what they want, but I guess that is up to ypou guys, I don't thinks its too much, I have seen way too many girls just casually get them because they forgot to take the pill. If you are going to make the decision to have unprotected sex, the responsibilty, then you need to be willing to accept the consequences.

What do you think, too controling?
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Post by WhiteWaterWood on November 13th 2009, 5:45 pm

I am pro-abortion. Yes, women are going to do it anyway, but that's not why. The majority of women who have abortions are not teenage girls or unmarried women. Most of them are married and over 20. Birth control is not magic. Women who use protection and use birth control can still get pregnant. There are women who get their tubes tied and they come untied on their own and they still get pregnant.

So why not put it up for adoption? Because adoption is NOT always an option. It's one thing to put your child up for adoption if you're a single mother who's in her teens. It's another to put a child up for adoption when you're 35, married, and have 3 other kids. People will look down on you for giving up your child, berate you for not keeping it, and some are even disowned from their families by grandparents who are furious that they gave their child up for adoption instead of keeping it. Even your kids will judge you. "Why didn't you give me away too?" When you're in a relationship and already have kids everyone figures 'why don't they just keep it?' and no amount of explanation will make those people happy. And when it's your family 'just ignore what they say' is not an option.

Also, babies are usually adopted pretty quickly, but down-syndrome children have a very hard time getting adopted for obvious reasons. Sorry if I'm so defensive about this, it's just so many people have a very romanticized view of adoption and don't realize that abortion is often the best and most mature decision.

Also, the idea that if it looks like a baby, I really disagree with. That would also include fetal apes as 'human babies.' Just because it breaths doesn't mean it can think.

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Post by Vampire_of_Death on November 13th 2009, 6:25 pm

Yes, I would be hard to go through a pregnancy only to give that child away, but I look at it like this. The mother made a huge sacrifice so that child could get a chance to live, to experience what she did. Like you said, not all children go to loving homes or even leave the orphanage at all, but they got to live and that is the key point. Life.

And if you are going to go the root of judgement/peer pressure: murdering a child just because someone will judge you for giving it away, what do you think they will do if they found out that you killed it?

As a woman that cannot myself become pregnant, I can't imagine let alone support a woman becoming pregnant and not following through, even if I had to sacrifice.
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Post by WhiteWaterWood on November 13th 2009, 6:45 pm

Life? The baby wasn't human in the first place. It's not murder. It's not death since the baby wasn't even alive in the first place. It's a bundle of nerves and muscles with no brain. It can't feel and the concepts of life and 'death' mean nothing to it.

And if we're talking about peer pressure, let me be honest: No mature and reasonable person would ever consider calling someone who had to abort their child a murderer. To say that to a woman's face is the lowest form of insult and is horribly ignorant and cruel. It is not your business what women do with their bodies when they have no other choices. I don't think any of us know what it's like to be in that situation. To force your views on another woman and say it's their 'responsibility' to destroy their life and carry an unwanted and possibly mentally disabled child to term is very arrogant. The woman could let the fetus develop into a baby, but all you're thinking of is the fetus. Why should a woman have to have to go through so much pain and horrible experiences just so another unwanted baby can be born? I suppose you would force a woman who was raped to carry the same burden?

Nobody WANTS to have an abortion. They do it because they have to.

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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 13th 2009, 6:54 pm

Hm, but the point is that one the brainwaves begin, the fetus begins learning, albeit on a basic level, but learning nonetheless. If the mother isn't endangered mentally or physically and the fetus is developing properly, then it deserves the chance at life. I've had 2 friends who were adopted and were almost aborted, and I never would have met them had they been aborted.

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Post by WhiteWaterWood on November 13th 2009, 7:03 pm

I agree. After a certain point, babies should not be aborted when the brain has fully developed. How fully is up for debate.

Also, it is unknown when infants begin to have brainwaves. People used to say 8 weeks, but that has been proven time and time again to be false. Also, brain activity does not mean the presence of consciousness or humanity. I'd say after 6 months is the cutoff, but again, open to debate.

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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 13th 2009, 7:06 pm

I'd say that if you can cut it out and keep it alive, it's life. :P

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