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The war in Afghanistan

Post by Rapsheba555 on October 18th 2009, 6:58 pm

Should we continue full force and win this thing or pull out?

Personally I think it'd be an insult to all those who have died to give up now, and I think it'd be a death wish because of the Afghan complement of nukes. And we all know that the Taliban would just love to get their hands on those. :affraid: I think overall that it'd be a bad idea in almost every respect to give up now. We should finish what we started, even though we didn't exactly start it.

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by ZombieData on October 18th 2009, 10:22 pm

I think there should be a third option:

Maybbbeeeee.

I don't know anyone personally thats in teh war, so I don't know which is which...

Has there ever been a time where the US wasn't in war? I think my entire life (which started in 1994) We've been in a war.

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Cass on October 18th 2009, 10:53 pm

The war is downright stupid.
It's NOT an honor to go to war.
I've shared my opinion. So.

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Rapsheba555 on October 18th 2009, 10:57 pm

Never said it was an honor, I said it wouldn't do their memory justice to let them die in vain, especially when we can still win.

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Liz on October 19th 2009, 12:47 am

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Ghost on October 19th 2009, 7:45 am

America walked away from Vietnam. America walked away from Korea. America will probably walk away from Afghanistan too. That doesn't mean it's going to be any better of an idea than it was in Vietnam or Korea. It's a hard decision because people are dying over there, but just picking up our "toys" and walking out is not the best answer.


And please don't blame the soldiers. A military enlistment might be the only job they could get that had enough of a paycheck to feed their family or pay for their college costs. This would especially be true if they had a kid with a chronic illness. The military will cover dependents. Try getting family health insurance on the salary from a fast food restaurant!

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by WhiteWaterWood on October 19th 2009, 1:31 pm

I'm not sure. but I do know that there's not really a way to win this war. For economic and political reasons, we'll probably pull out. I don't think it's an insult to soldier's memories to pull out, not when many of other lives will be sacrificed to stay. Right now, the focus should be on what's best for everyone. And to be honest, I have no idea what that is. Pulling out is best for America, but what about the people in Afghanistan?

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Rapsheba555 on October 19th 2009, 3:31 pm

I think that we have a duty to our country to protect theirs. Their country has stockpiles of nukes just WAITING to be launched, and they don't have enough forces to secure them. Secure them from guess who?

Taliban.

Al Qaeda.

Clerics.

Jihad. (The war they claim is a holy war against the United States. Remember Liz, you're not the ones with the big targets on your chests. We are.)

People who dedicate their lives to killing every single American be they man, woman, or child.

We are a country that lies directly in the path of the extremists' hate and ambition. We are what stops them from ruling the planet with oppression of women and dissidents. Face it, America is at this point what's really holding back the Taliban and Al Qaeda. If we were to fall, they would have significantly less trouble nuking the entirety of the Christian world (not to mention their own people and all other religions). Now, the roles of other nations cannot, and should not, be ignored. Alone, America would not be able to hold this threat back. The aid of other nations such as France, Great Britain, Australia, Russia (not so much, but...), Italy, etc. is crucial to the effort to stop this threat.

How would you feel if YOUR country had been robbed of THOUSANDS of people at once? How would YOU feel if one of your greatest landmarks had been DESTROYED? How would YOU feel if the peace, health, safety, security, and happiness of millions of your citizens was compromised in ONE DAY? By one group that had it out for you simply because their religion "told" them it was the thing to do?

There is one difference between the wars in Vietnam and Korea and the war in Afghanistan. It is that we are fighting it because we lost something. We are fighting it because we love ourselves and our children. Wars are never fought for the love of the enemy, that is the nature of war. The problem with the "let's never have war again" idea is that it only works if everyone plays by the rules. To quote Spock: "Logical discussion only works when everyone obeys the rules." We can never be rid of war until we are rid of people who are so devoted to any one thing that they are unwilling to even listen to another person's viewpoint.

All I'm saying is that Australia has not yet seen what true hate can do to even the most powerful nation on Earth (and I say that not to boast, but because America [and possibly Russia as well] really IS the most powerful country at this point). You do not know what it is like to see thousands of your citizens and friends killed (I lost 1 relative and a friend in the Twin Towers) by someone who feels it is their "duty" to kill you all. Should nuclear weapons fall into hands that would fly jetliners into skyscrapers for the sake of their "religious duties," imagine what would happen.

And I point out that if nukes were by some curse of God to fall into the wrong hands, Australia, France, Great Britain, Spain, Russia, Italy, Germany and Canada would not be very far down on their list. I do not like war, nor do I EVER think it is the ultimate answer. But sometimes it is the only answer at the time. Do you honestly think that after we were dealt such a blow the enemy would be willing to sit down and talk with us? Only if we promised we would nuke ourselves to Hell.

And honor? Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. I just want to sleep at night not wondering whether I might wake up to my nation's capital city no longer existing. And also, you have to remember where I live. If DC were bombed, I would die of radiation poisoning within an hour or so.

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Ghost on October 19th 2009, 6:03 pm

That's assuming that they don't decide to also nuke Northern Virginia and wipe out the CIA...

It is true that we cannot "win" until Afghanistan has a stable and strong government that honestly believes that nuclear weapons really were a bad idea that should never have been invented in the first place and certainly should never be allowed to be used!

Supporting and strengthening a faction that seems to believe that nuclear weapons should be left alone seems to be a much better policy than walking away and hoping they win anyway. Especially when there are other factions out there who would love to get hold of those nukes.

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Rapsheba555 on October 19th 2009, 7:03 pm

True. So I die instantly. I suppose it'd be less shocking.

Agreed. On both of those points. War may be one answer, but there are always other supplementary options.

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Cass on October 21st 2009, 9:55 pm

Rapsheba555 wrote:Never said it was an honor, I said it wouldn't do their memory justice to let them die in vain, especially when we can still win.

Yes, but many people say it's an honor. Ummm...

I wish people would just make freaking peace and get it over with. It's everyone's planet.

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Post by Rapsheba555 on October 21st 2009, 10:59 pm

Such is true. I wish it could be so.

Liz, I didn't mean to chew you out, I just felt like you didn't quite understand what Americans felt. Ummm...

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Vampire_of_Death on October 21st 2009, 11:47 pm

I agree, It would probably be a bad decision to pull out now, I athink it would be an open invitation to bring the war here, maybe not, but that is one of my greatest fears and being so close to both New York and D.C., I would be nuked just like Raps.

I think it would be an insult to the soldiers memories, if we do draw back and face it, they expect us to. We have before and looking at the economic situation we probably should, but I want us to hold our ground and finish what was started. I have family and friends, my boyfriend among them, and I want them home, but not like that.

If only there was world peace, but as a pessimist, I must point out that it will never be. Someone will always find something to fight about.

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Rapsheba555 on October 22nd 2009, 12:43 am

That's not pessimism, that's realistic practicality.

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Post by WhiteWaterWood on October 22nd 2009, 11:42 am

I think it all depends on what you mean by 'win.' Getting rid of all the pockets of terrorists still hiding out there? Pretty much a zero chance. Getting rid of the terrorist supporters? Unless you want to wipe out most of the population, also not possible. Remember, when we gave them democratic elections, they voted in the Taliban. Fear and support of the Taliban still controls so much of the population that having a stable non-taliban democracy isn't going to work in the next 20 years.

We can get rid of more of the terrorists, yes, but how do we win? I just don't see it.

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Rapsheba555 on October 22nd 2009, 12:38 pm

We win by convincing the people that maybe hatred and violence isn't the only way to rule a nation. Turn the hearts of the people, you've turned the hearts of the majority. Remember that the terrorists are still the minority. Most people just want peace.

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Axis Veteran on October 30th 2009, 10:15 pm

I believe we shouldn't pull out. I think If we pulled out they will reform and plot terrorist attacks more.
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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 1st 2009, 9:26 pm

Welcome to the site. Very Happy

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Post by Vampire_of_Death on November 1st 2009, 11:39 pm

Welcome, you should post a little somthing about yourself in the Welcome thread. Very Happy

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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 2nd 2009, 3:39 pm

agreed. You'll find it under Spamazon River>Screaming(announcements)

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by ZimZ on November 4th 2009, 12:23 am

My opinion is, I think that it was rather silly of them to go there in the first place, it wasn't their war and now they have turned it into their war when they never should have, I don't know much about American politics but I reckon Obama will do what's right for those who live in America... as for Afghanistan well... I dunno I have relatives there but they're not evil

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Re: The war in Afghanistan

Post by Rapsheba555 on November 4th 2009, 12:27 am

Eh, it's not that they're evil, it's that the few who ARE crazy are the ones with real power.

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Post by ZimZ on November 4th 2009, 4:49 am

OHH, as I said i don't really know much about it.

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Post by Ghost on November 4th 2009, 4:39 pm

Pulling out now would abandon our allies while they may not be strong enough to win on their own.

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Post by Rapsheba555 on November 4th 2009, 9:02 pm

That is true.

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